On the form/submissions -- I need to scan some stuff -- which, sadly, I just stapled on a bulletin board. But I'll take some down and get them scanned. It might be next week before I can get everything to you.
-L---
Linda Adler-Kassner, Ph.D.
Director of First-Year Writing
Professor, Department of English Language and Literature
Eastern Michigan University
612 Pray-Harrold
Ypsilanti, MI 48197
734.487.0148 (w) 734.483.9744 (fax)
On Oct 19, 2008, at 1:55 PM, Shannon Carter wrote:
Design: Yeah, this design came in on Monday and I haven't had the heart to respond to it. I didn't want to help steer the conversation away from it if it was actually something we could live with, but I didn't care much for it when it came through. I haven't thought much of the sprint commercials and I like even less idea of something riffing off that concept.
But I also don't know whether they can do something much better. I mean that literally.
Any suggestions? If we send them completely back to the drawing board without any suggestions we might not have anythign before NCTE. But we might. No telling, really.
Collaboration: Yeah, what we are doing is something much more--much more broadly conceived, much more politicized, much more . . . more!
Good idea, everyone--we'll get our house in order. Then think about whether or not we want to do anything more than link to it. I am just getting frustrated with this IRB issue, especially as I work to get graduate students to submit items that may or may not be their final research projects (which makes that line between IRB/research and journalism/journalistic ethics that much harder to understand). I love the idea that the OSU collection already has the IRB issue figured out, though my student's final projects would only work there if they were literacy narratives.
Later today or early next week I'll send the IRB wording that our IRB Chair sent for us to potentially include at the NCoW website (ala Eli's suggestion). Verbally he said what we wanted from him, and I mocked up a sentence or two that I thought got at the heart of that verbal agreement (I'll send that too later; I'm in the Chicago airport now waiting for my connecting flight home). That's what he asked for. Then he was going to look at it and tweak it, then we'd share it with you guys for more feedback/guidance.
What I ended up with was a paragraph about how A&M-Commerce takes human subjects seriously and protects human subjects . . . . and that if they are going into research projects involving human subjects they should check with their own IRB.
To me that causes more problems than it solves. It means that the user must now struggle through that question of "What is research?," which is a bloody hard question.
And I don't want to do that yet. No time, for one. And I just don't have any good answers.
And Linda: We are set up to take your student's submissions and class assignment if you want to send them along. We'll get them tagged and into the archive with all the necessary metadata, and I'll get the form to you to fill out. Actually, I'm attaching it now.
NCoW Guidelines: If we can get someone (or me, perhaps) to merge the guide attached ("mission statement") with the one Dominic developed, then we'll be in great shape. That way Glenn (or one of us) can get the updated submission procedure out there in the world.
We have been receiving inquiries and (off and on) materials. These inquiries have been nation-wide and at several levels. We are talking only a handful here, but we are out there.
Best,
Shannon
Shannon Carter
Associate Professor of English
Texas A&M-Commerce
shannon_carter@tamu-commerce.edu
http://faculty.tamu-commerce.edu/scarter/
903-886-5492
-----Original Message-----
From: Donna Dunbar-Odom
Sent: Sun 10/19/2008 9:07 AM
To: 'Linda Adler-Kassner'; Shannon Carter
Cc: dcarpini@ycp.edu; glennblalock.phd@gmail.com
Subject: RE: NCoW competition (and a potential partnership?)
I'm with Linda on this, too. And I felt this way last summer at DMAC when Cindy first suggested we go in with them. We're doing something else with a different purpose. But I think we need a big cool re-usable poster to cart around to our conferences! We ought to be able to do that once they get a concept we all like.
Thanks for the feedback, Linda and Glenn. This will help us speak back to our head design guy who hasn't had a good history of listening to us.
See you back in Commerce, Shannon.
Best,
Donna
Donna Dunbar-Odom
Professor of English
Director of English Graduate Studies
Department of Literature and Languages
Texas A&M University-Commerce
Commerce, TX 75429
903.886.5264
________________________________
From: Linda Adler-Kassner [mailto:Linda.Adler-Kassner@emich.edu]
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:01 AM
To: Shannon Carter
Cc: dcarpini@ycp.edu; glennblalock.phd@gmail.com; Donna Dunbar-Odom
Subject: Re: NCoW competition (and a potential partnership?)
I took a quick look at this (I have out of town company and am doing everything in quick time this weekend...), but my first response is that we can certainly link to this - it's a fabulous resource - and/but our purpose is bigger than this. They have narratives, and that's great. We have - or will have, as soon as we're set up to do so - things contributed by lots of different folks that could include narratives, and also more. (For example, I have a whole set of a genre called a PEOP ready to go once we're set to accept classroom stuff.) The new site that Glenn's working on looks tremendous, and will make this purpose clear.
I think the most important thing for us right now is to get *this* vision up and running. Down the road, perhaps we can think about potential mergers, etc. -- now, let's get our house up, running, and in order. Does that seem like an okay way to proceed?
-Linda
---
Linda Adler-Kassner, Ph.D.
Director of First-Year Writing
Professor, Department of English Language and Literature
612 Pray-Harrold
Ypsilanti, MI 48197
734.487.0148 (w) 734.483.9744 (fax)
www.emich.edu/english/fycomp/
On Oct 18, 2008, at 6:26 PM, Shannon Carter wrote:
Hi--
So we walked into the exhibit area of the Watson conference early Thursday morning when everyone was setting up and Cindy Selfe was taping up a gorgeous poster announcing the new OSU collection Digital Archive of Literacy Narratives, for which they've received a pretty good grant and have developed a splendid array of materials, forms, questions, and submissions.
I asked Cindy when I saw it (because I'd heard of it from Donna this summer when she was at DMAC) that I was trying to figure out how the two projects could inform one another--how could we build a relationship that was obvious and productive (not what I said--I was apparently more diplomatic). She's collecting literacy narratives, and we'll collecting more than that.
The grant was developed in partnership with their library.
Her purpose is primarily for research and to offer others the opportunity to research the lived literacy experiences of writers in a variety of catogories.
Ours is broader than that--much more activist and much more politicized.
She suggested we could contribute items to her collection (which is what she suggested to Donna when Donna pointed out the NCoW collection that wasn't just in process but already developed and several years in).
But I suggested we link to each other (at least). She's totally digging that.
At one level my love of literacy studies and desire to incorporate more of that into my undergraduate and graduate-level courses (especially digitalized literacy narratives) excites me. The fact that all the issues we've been trying to work out as far as IRB (more on that soon) and permissions and purpose is worked out there, which excites me too.
One option is to just draw from her growing collection in creating our activist materials--where the NCoW site is what drives the conversation. But I don't want to lose the production part of it, because I think support for teachers and others interested in and already involved in the national conversation on writing are the ones who need the forum and support in developign such materials. The end for the OSU collection is a more traditional archive (for research). Ours is teacher support and support for more activist moves.
So I guess what we need to do next is figure out where our project differs from Cindy's but where we can make productive use of relationships with the growing and exciting resource being developed there.
Focus on just K-12? That seems to me too narrow. I don't know. They aren't building and featuring completed projects, for hte most part. I only viewed one and I enjoyed hte heck out of it. He's charming (Kayle).
I just finished the last set of presentations earlier this afternoon and I'm off to the end-of-conference party in about an hour. Better sign off. But I wanted to think this through a little before I saw Cindy and the rest again in this more intimate setting. I think we can make this new wrinkle work for us. I just don't know how.
Also: Bump has some very interesting ideas about how to think around the research/journalism divide--through a revised/revamped set of Creative Commons criteria written specifically for scholarly projects "remixed"--that's a long way off. I think he's got a least an article or two in that, perhaps more. Building on Lessing and bringing that conversation back into the academy. But he'd love to speak with us about his ideas whenever we want him to. He's a talker. Good ideas.
Also: a possible special issue focusing on undergraduate scholarship in rhetoric and writing presented digitally (a sort of digital companion to Young Scholars in Writing) for Summer 2011--Kairos. Cheryl Ball suggested I take it on, which certainly gives us something to think about in terms of NCoW as well. Getting undergrads to think through these questions as well. Gosh, so much to think about!
I ADORE this conference.
More from me soon. And I look forward to hearing yoru thoughts.
Oh, wait: The OSU site is at http://198.30.120.79/ (or link above, as this one seems a little strange to me and might have something to do with being the "home" for my logged in version) . Glenn's redesign, if you'll recall, is at http://comppile.org/NCoW/indexNew2.htm . (a draft). I love what he's done here, making it very web 2.0 and interactive. I've begun to hink through possible "features" for this first round, and I'm also thinking now that we might consider a "friends" model (like FaceBook) at the bottom of the page where we link to things like the OSU collection and (perhaps eventually) those places that are doing cool things with the National Conversation on Writing--in their classes, in the community. Hey, perhaps we could just use that "blog" link that way? or we could get ourselves set up at ning (since NCTE is pushing that space) and/or FaceBook (since everyone seems to be already on it) and we could control who gets linked to and who doesn't. Or perhaps we could link off to some social networking site from the blog because users like me (until very very recently me included) might be hesitate to look at anything they are not quite sure they are committed to if it requires them to register.
Okay, I'll stop now. Except that we are going to enlist the help of our web guys to to help think through some of these web design issues too. Glenn has PLENTY going on and has already given us so much to work with. I'm done with some of the most pressing things stealing time away from NCoW (for now), which means I plan to devote much more time to getting ready for NCoW launch 2 at NCTE 2008. I'll have to get the CBW site looked at and ready to launch (then the next issue of BWe, which is in the hopper but just needs anohter look or two before we can put it out there--Linda's legacy yet again!) But after that . . .
I better get my shoes on and stop typing . . . I could just keep going on and on. :)
--Shannon
http://people.cohums.ohio-state.edu/selfe2/daln/contents.html
Shannon Carter
Associate Professor of English
Texas A&M-Commerce
shannon_carter@tamu-commerce.edu
http://faculty.tamu-commerce.edu/scarter/
903-886-5492
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