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From: Dominic Francis DelliCarpini [mailto:dcarpini@ycp.edu]
Sent: Thu 10/23/2008 10:39 AM
To: Shannon Carter; Linda Adler-Kassner
Cc: Donna Dunbar-Odom; glennblalock.phd@gmail.com
Subject: RE: NCoW competition (and a potential partnership?)
Sorry to be lagging on this; been a crazy week on a number of levels. In any case, thanks to you all for raising these issues. Let me see if I can sort out the issues:
1) The logo: I've attached the NMA logo. It's not necessarily the highest quality one that exists, but should work for what we need. I like it; it's simple but draws the connection between WPA and NMA. It's not a specific NCoW logo, though. Might we use it now, add a line at the bottom that says National Conversation on Writing, and then see if we can do a competition for another, NCoW-specific logo? For NCTE/NWP, however, this should serve our purposes.
2) For NCTE/NWP, a bunch of issues:
a) It would be great to show off the content we have so far, and the film. But I think the key is to see this as a kick-off of the site, and to invite folks to get involved. Perhaps we should set up threads for what we want people to do and get their students to do to contribute. Eg., we could say: we want literacy narratives (text, video, audio); we want examples of writing-based events (also text or multi-modal); sample writing assignments WITH student examples; profiles of student writers; interviews with writers and/or those who attest to the value of writing; etc. We could also ask folks to respond to media stories about writing, or ask their students to do so, to post to the site. If we have the slots for it on the site and on a handout, we'll start to develop content. This can be a minor way to bridge the k-12/k-16 gap, too, without overstepping, by inviting sec educators into this as well. It seems to me that the point of going to the conference should be, as the NWP title suggests, SPECIFICS on getting involved. We should take names and cajole people to stay at it.
b) Giveways/bling. At one point, Glenn said he could help with having copies of the DVD made (and maybe Shannon said that too?). I do have the cover art (attached), which we might be able to print onto labels and onto card stock and use basic DVD plastic covers? That should look fine, I think, for this purpose. Also, I'd like to look into other bling (pens, notepads, etc.) and will. I can use the NMA logo and the website address, with a catchy slogan. Sound o.k. LINDA: Haven't heard back from Jacqui Biddle or Kathy about a table in the exhibit hall. Could you use some of your backchannels to see about some little corner at the NCTE table or elsewhere? I could ask Bedford or Pearson, but would prefer to avoid associating with a specific for-profit. But I could if you want.
c) mission: We do need to get this down to a simple, couple-f sentence version along with maybe a paragraph of unpacking it. Let's kick around what I had in the original guide and see if we can get that clearly stated for a postcard size giveway with the bling.
d) With Cindy Selfe: I think just cross-linking with each other is as far as we should go; they are doing something that is applicable to part of our mission, but not all of it. I agree with Linda on that. But "literacy" is a key concept for us all, so we should go with that. I do think the Literacy Narrative concept--collecting stories of literacy--is a great one. But we need to do our own as well, sort of like "This I Believes" (which we've talked about, but "This I Believe about Writing." We can set up a space for this, and feature them on the front page as a campaign. We can also feature Celebrations of student writing, etc, on a rotating basis.
Have I missed anything? Hope I'm back up to speed, and let me know what you all think. D
Dominic F. DelliCarpini
Associate Professor of English
Writing Program Administrator
York College of Pennsylvania
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-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Adler-Kassner [mailto:Linda.Adler-Kassner@emich.edu]
Sent: Wed 10/22/2008 6:48 AM
To: Shannon Carter
Cc: Donna Dunbar-Odom; dcarpini@ycp.edu; glennblalock.phd@gmail.com
Subject: Re: NCoW competition (and a potential partnership?)
Right - nothing we get from a competition would be ready for NCTE. But
can we work with the logo we have now? Whatever happens probably needs
to at least be run by the WPA Exec Board, even the stuff from TAMU-C
-- maybe. We should actually consult with Joe J on that. In any event,
what about working with the materials we have now?
Re: K-12 - that's a tricky thing. WPA has traditionally been very
careful (and rightfully so) about not overreaching the organization's
area of expertise/making sure we're clear that we're about college-
level work. The NCoW video, on the other hand, has lots of kids ...
and of course NWP works with K-12. It might be that we'll want to
partner with them for things that go beyond college -- possibly? Let's
keep thinking about this...
-L
---
Linda Adler-Kassner, Ph.D.
Director of First-Year Writing
Professor, Department of English Language and Literature
Eastern Michigan University
612 Pray-Harrold
Ypsilanti, MI 48197
734.487.0148 (w) 734.483.9744 (fax)
www.emich.edu/english/fycomp/
On Oct 21, 2008, at 8:29 PM, Shannon Carter wrote:
> I think the competition is a GREAT idea. You've suggested that
> before and we haven't done anything with it yet. If we could do that
> membership wide, that'd be a great idea for additional exposure! My
> only concern is the time. We want somethign we can share at NCTE,
> which may not give us much time for the competition and then to
> develop it into some workable marketing materials.
>
> But I also don't think that the materials they generate will
> (necessarily) include a firm and set logo. We could launch a
> competition for the logo from that, inviting K-12 participation as
> well. Something else to think about. I'll keep thinking.
>
> No rush at all on the submissions, Linda. Just wanted to let you
> know we were ready for them whenever you want to send them. But no
> rush! Really.
>
> Thanks!
> Shannon
>
> Shannon Carter
> Associate Professor of English
> Texas A&M-Commerce
> shannon_carter@tamu-commerce.edu
> http://faculty.tamu-commerce.edu/scarter/
> 903-886-5492
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linda Adler-Kassner [mailto:Linda.Adler-Kassner@emich.edu]
> Sent: Tue 10/21/2008 5:37 PM
> To: Shannon Carter
> Cc: Donna Dunbar-Odom; dcarpini@ycp.edu; glennblalock.phd@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: NCoW competition (and a potential partnership?)
>
> Thanks for this, Shannon -- and sorry I'm a bit late in getting to it.
> Crazy week! Re: the logo - I wonder if we could adapt the one from the
> video somehow? Possible? (I mean on the cover of the CD?) Even better:
> LET'S HAVE A COMPETITION TO DESIGN A LOGO? Maybe we could sponsor it
> through WPA and offer a *free year's membership* -- a $30 value! -- to
> the winner? What do people think?
>
> On the form/submissions -- I need to scan some stuff -- which, sadly,
> I just stapled on a bulletin board. But I'll take some down and get
> them scanned. It might be next week before I can get everything to
> you.
> -L
> ---
> Linda Adler-Kassner, Ph.D.
> Director of First-Year Writing
> Professor, Department of English Language and Literature
> Eastern Michigan University
> 612 Pray-Harrold
> Ypsilanti, MI 48197
> 734.487.0148 (w) 734.483.9744 (fax)
> www.emich.edu/english/fycomp/
>
> On Oct 19, 2008, at 1:55 PM, Shannon Carter wrote:
>
> > Design: Yeah, this design came in on Monday and I haven't had the
> > heart to respond to it. I didn't want to help steer the conversation
> > away from it if it was actually something we could live with, but I
> > didn't care much for it when it came through. I haven't thought much
> > of the sprint commercials and I like even less idea of something
> > riffing off that concept.
> >
> > But I also don't know whether they can do something much better. I
> > mean that literally.
> >
> > Any suggestions? If we send them completely back to the drawing
> > board without any suggestions we might not have anythign before
> > NCTE. But we might. No telling, really.
> >
> > Collaboration: Yeah, what we are doing is something much more--much
> > more broadly conceived, much more politicized, much more . . . more!
> >
> > Good idea, everyone--we'll get our house in order. Then think about
> > whether or not we want to do anything more than link to it. I am
> > just getting frustrated with this IRB issue, especially as I work to
> > get graduate students to submit items that may or may not be their
> > final research projects (which makes that line between IRB/research
> > and journalism/journalistic ethics that much harder to understand).
> > I love the idea that the OSU collection already has the IRB issue
> > figured out, though my student's final projects would only work
> > there if they were literacy narratives.
> >
> > Later today or early next week I'll send the IRB wording that our
> > IRB Chair sent for us to potentially include at the NCoW website
> > (ala Eli's suggestion). Verbally he said what we wanted from him,
> > and I mocked up a sentence or two that I thought got at the heart of
> > that verbal agreement (I'll send that too later; I'm in the Chicago
> > airport now waiting for my connecting flight home). That's what he
> > asked for. Then he was going to look at it and tweak it, then we'd
> > share it with you guys for more feedback/guidance.
> >
> > What I ended up with was a paragraph about how A&M-Commerce takes
> > human subjects seriously and protects human subjects . . . . and
> > that if they are going into research projects involving human
> > subjects they should check with their own IRB.
> >
> > To me that causes more problems than it solves. It means that the
> > user must now struggle through that question of "What is research?,"
> > which is a bloody hard question.
> >
> > And I don't want to do that yet. No time, for one. And I just don't
> > have any good answers.
> >
> > And Linda: We are set up to take your student's submissions and
> > class assignment if you want to send them along. We'll get them
> > tagged and into the archive with all the necessary metadata, and
> > I'll get the form to you to fill out. Actually, I'm attaching it
> now.
> >
> > NCoW Guidelines: If we can get someone (or me, perhaps) to merge the
> > guide attached ("mission statement") with the one Dominic developed,
> > then we'll be in great shape. That way Glenn (or one of us) can get
> > the updated submission procedure out there in the world.
> >
> > We have been receiving inquiries and (off and on) materials. These
> > inquiries have been nation-wide and at several levels. We are
> > talking only a handful here, but we are out there.
> >
> > Best,
> > Shannon
> >
> > Shannon Carter
> > Associate Professor of English
> > Texas A&M-Commerce
> > shannon_carter@tamu-commerce.edu
> > http://faculty.tamu-commerce.edu/scarter/
> > 903-886-5492
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Donna Dunbar-Odom
> > Sent: Sun 10/19/2008 9:07 AM
> > To: 'Linda Adler-Kassner'; Shannon Carter
> > Cc: dcarpini@ycp.edu; glennblalock.phd@gmail.com
> > Subject: RE: NCoW competition (and a potential partnership?)
> >
> > I'm with Linda on this, too. And I felt this way last summer at DMAC
> > when Cindy first suggested we go in with them. We're doing something
> > else with a different purpose. But I think we need a big cool re-
> > usable poster to cart around to our conferences! We ought to be able
> > to do that once they get a concept we all like.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the feedback, Linda and Glenn. This will help us speak
> > back to our head design guy who hasn't had a good history of
> > listening to us.
> >
> >
> >
> > See you back in Commerce, Shannon.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Donna
> >
> >
> >
> > Donna Dunbar-Odom
> >
> > Professor of English
> >
> > Director of English Graduate Studies
> >
> > Department of Literature and Languages
> >
> > Texas A&M University-Commerce
> >
> > Commerce, TX 75429
> >
> > 903.886.5264
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: Linda Adler-Kassner [mailto:Linda.Adler-Kassner@emich.edu]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:01 AM
> > To: Shannon Carter
> > Cc: dcarpini@ycp.edu; glennblalock.phd@gmail.com; Donna Dunbar-Odom
> > Subject: Re: NCoW competition (and a potential partnership?)
> >
> >
> >
> > I took a quick look at this (I have out of town company and am doing
> > everything in quick time this weekend...), but my first response is
> > that we can certainly link to this - it's a fabulous resource - and/
> > but our purpose is bigger than this. They have narratives, and
> > that's great. We have - or will have, as soon as we're set up to do
> > so - things contributed by lots of different folks that could
> > include narratives, and also more. (For example, I have a whole set
> > of a genre called a PEOP ready to go once we're set to accept
> > classroom stuff.) The new site that Glenn's working on looks
> > tremendous, and will make this purpose clear.
> >
> >
> >
> > I think the most important thing for us right now is to get *this*
> > vision up and running. Down the road, perhaps we can think about
> > potential mergers, etc. -- now, let's get our house up, running, and
> > in order. Does that seem like an okay way to proceed?
> >
> > -Linda
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Linda Adler-Kassner, Ph.D.
> >
> > Director of First-Year Writing
> >
> > Professor, Department of English Language and Literature
> >
> > 612 Pray-Harrold
> >
> > Ypsilanti, MI 48197
> >
> > 734.487.0148 (w) 734.483.9744 (fax)
> >
> > www.emich.edu/english/fycomp/
> >
> >
> >
> > On Oct 18, 2008, at 6:26 PM, Shannon Carter wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi--
> >
> > So we walked into the exhibit area of the Watson conference early
> > Thursday morning when everyone was setting up and Cindy Selfe was
> > taping up a gorgeous poster announcing the new OSU collection
> > Digital Archive of Literacy Narratives, for which they've received a
> > pretty good grant and have developed a splendid array of materials,
> > forms, questions, and submissions.
> >
> > I asked Cindy when I saw it (because I'd heard of it from Donna this
> > summer when she was at DMAC) that I was trying to figure out how the
> > two projects could inform one another--how could we build a
> > relationship that was obvious and productive (not what I said--I was
> > apparently more diplomatic). She's collecting literacy narratives,
> > and we'll collecting more than that.
> >
> > The grant was developed in partnership with their library.
> >
> > Her purpose is primarily for research and to offer others the
> > opportunity to research the lived literacy experiences of writers in
> > a variety of catogories.
> >
> > Ours is broader than that--much more activist and much more
> > politicized.
> >
> > She suggested we could contribute items to her collection (which is
> > what she suggested to Donna when Donna pointed out the NCoW
> > collection that wasn't just in process but already developed and
> > several years in).
> >
> > But I suggested we link to each other (at least). She's totally
> > digging that.
> >
> > At one level my love of literacy studies and desire to incorporate
> > more of that into my undergraduate and graduate-level courses
> > (especially digitalized literacy narratives) excites me. The fact
> > that all the issues we've been trying to work out as far as IRB
> > (more on that soon) and permissions and purpose is worked out there,
> > which excites me too.
> >
> > One option is to just draw from her growing collection in creating
> > our activist materials--where the NCoW site is what drives the
> > conversation. But I don't want to lose the production part of it,
> > because I think support for teachers and others interested in and
> > already involved in the national conversation on writing are the
> > ones who need the forum and support in developign such materials.
> > The end for the OSU collection is a more traditional archive (for
> > research). Ours is teacher support and support for more activist
> > moves.
> >
> > So I guess what we need to do next is figure out where our project
> > differs from Cindy's but where we can make productive use of
> > relationships with the growing and exciting resource being developed
> > there.
> >
> > Focus on just K-12? That seems to me too narrow. I don't know. They
> > aren't building and featuring completed projects, for hte most part.
> > I only viewed one and I enjoyed hte heck out of it. He's charming
> > (Kayle).
> >
> > I just finished the last set of presentations earlier this afternoon
> > and I'm off to the end-of-conference party in about an hour. Better
> > sign off. But I wanted to think this through a little before I saw
> > Cindy and the rest again in this more intimate setting. I think we
> > can make this new wrinkle work for us. I just don't know how.
> >
> > Also: Bump has some very interesting ideas about how to think around
> > the research/journalism divide--through a revised/revamped set of
> > Creative Commons criteria written specifically for scholarly
> > projects "remixed"--that's a long way off. I think he's got a least
> > an article or two in that, perhaps more. Building on Lessing and
> > bringing that conversation back into the academy. But he'd love to
> > speak with us about his ideas whenever we want him to. He's a
> > talker. Good ideas.
> >
> > Also: a possible special issue focusing on undergraduate scholarship
> > in rhetoric and writing presented digitally (a sort of digital
> > companion to Young Scholars in Writing) for Summer 2011--Kairos.
> > Cheryl Ball suggested I take it on, which certainly gives us
> > something to think about in terms of NCoW as well. Getting
> > undergrads to think through these questions as well. Gosh, so much
> > to think about!
> >
> > I ADORE this conference.
> >
> > More from me soon. And I look forward to hearing yoru thoughts.
> >
> > Oh, wait: The OSU site is at http://198.30.120.79/ (or link above,
> > as this one seems a little strange to me and might have something to
> > do with being the "home" for my logged in version) . Glenn's
> > redesign, if you'll recall, is at http://comppile.org/NCoW/indexNew2.htm
> > . (a draft). I love what he's done here, making it very web 2.0 and
> > interactive. I've begun to hink through possible "features" for this
> > first round, and I'm also thinking now that we might consider a
> > "friends" model (like FaceBook) at the bottom of the page where we
> > link to things like the OSU collection and (perhaps eventually)
> > those places that are doing cool things with the National
> > Conversation on Writing--in their classes, in the community. Hey,
> > perhaps we could just use that "blog" link that way? or we could get
> > ourselves set up at ning (since NCTE is pushing that space) and/or
> > FaceBook (since everyone seems to be already on it) and we could
> > control who gets linked to and who doesn't. Or perhaps we could link
> > off to some social networking site from the blog because users like
> > me (until very very recently me included) might be hesitate to look
> > at anything they are not quite sure they are committed to if it
> > requires them to register.
> >
> > Okay, I'll stop now. Except that we are going to enlist the help of
> > our web guys to to help think through some of these web design
> > issues too. Glenn has PLENTY going on and has already given us so
> > much to work with. I'm done with some of the most pressing things
> > stealing time away from NCoW (for now), which means I plan to devote
> > much more time to getting ready for NCoW launch 2 at NCTE 2008. I'll
> > have to get the CBW site looked at and ready to launch (then the
> > next issue of BWe, which is in the hopper but just needs anohter
> > look or two before we can put it out there--Linda's legacy yet
> > again!) But after that . . .
> >
> > I better get my shoes on and stop typing . . . I could just keep
> > going on and on. :)
> >
> > --Shannon
> >
> >
> >
> > http://people.cohums.ohio-state.edu/selfe2/daln/contents.html
> >
> > Shannon Carter
> > Associate Professor of English
> > Texas A&M-Commerce
> > shannon_carter@tamu-commerce.edu
> > http://faculty.tamu-commerce.edu/scarter/
> > 903-886-5492
> >
> >
> >
> >
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